Dick Johnson, 78, Boise, Idaho

When pickleball players see Dick Johnson’s name on their match bracket, they know they are in for a challenge. That’s because Dick’s resume includes twice medaling in all seven recognized national and world championships in one year and racking up close to 200 medals -mostly gold- in these majors and 90 sanctioned tournaments across the country.  These include Senior Games in his native Idaho, five other states, and the National Senior Games. Impressive enough, but even more so since he has done it all in only five years since first picking up a paddle.

Like many other seniors entering this rapidly-growing sport, Dick’s learning curve was quicker because he had played tennis extensively since the 8^th grade, and pickleball offers many similarities to the point that some describe it as “tennis on steroids.” Dick has won state tennis championships in each decade except one. and is one of few in the world to have played in sanctioned U.S. Opens in both tennis and pickleball. Not bad for a guy who was teased as the smallest and youngest kid in his neighborhood while growing up.

Equally impressive is that despite back fusion surgery in 1978, Dick stayed on the court to teach three of his daughters, and all became state high school tennis champions. They also competed very well in major father-daughter events, and the family enjoyed the thrill of a lifetime when he and daughter Shelly qualified to play in the 1986 U.S. Open in Flushing Meadow.

However, the surgery only partially helped and persisting back pain forced him to quit tennis 20 years ago. Global travel in demanding top management positions, plus church, family and civic commitments caused Dick to become out of shape and overweight, and he knew he was in big trouble when severe Type 2 diabetes struck. He found a treatment program that helped him manage diet, lose weight and avoid insulin shots.  But, Dick still wondered how he would stay motivated and avoid exercise boredom without playing a sport competitively.

Enter pickleball.

While undergoing treatment Dick discovered “the sport with a silly name” that features a smaller court and underhand serves, which allowed him to manage pain and play. When he won his first tournament appearance at the Idaho Senior Games at age 73, Dick knew a path was opened. In fact, he believes this new pickleball passion literally saved his life. He’s gratefully given back as a founding member of the Super Seniors International Pickleball Association, which hosted 40 tournaments around the globe last year. And, he has served on a committee working on construction of a new $600,000 pickleball facility at Hobble Creek in Boise, one capable of hosting tournaments.

In our conversation with Dick, you will find he is guided by Mormon religious principles that form his bedrock and have helped him to overcome many challenges and achieve many successes. He even turned down academic and tennis scholarships and left college to go on his first Church mission for two years. He loved to serve others and deeply feels the experience prepared him to succeed and be happier in all aspects of his life.

Beyond his many accomplishments in academics, business, sports, government, and civic life, Dick Johnson testifies that his greatest successes and blessings have been devotion to God and church, his marriage of 54 years that has produced 4 children,15 grandchildren and (so far) 3 great-grand children, and his dedication to serving others. Considered with his determination to stay active, we’d say that makes for a great example of how to pursue your Personal Best!

 

Dick, you’ve had an incredible run in only five years of playing senior pickleball. But you had a jump start with tennis, right?

Yes. I won the state high school championship for three straight years, and after two years at Boise State – it was called Boise Junior College then – I was graduating first in the school of business and was offered tennis and academic scholarships elsewhere. But, I didn’t accept them and, instead chose to go on my first mission for the Mormon Church when I was 20. I was told those scholarships wouldn’t be there for me when I returned, and that’s indeed what happened. I also had to put my Air National Guard service on hold. Despite the so-called ‘sacrifice’ it was wonderful to return home in two years knowing it really wasn’t a sacrifice. Instead, I felt in debt to the Lord for the personal growth and happiness that serving others provides.

I went to BYU in Provo when I returned. I hadn’t played in a couple of years, but I challenged the number two guy on the tennis team and beat him. That got me a really good shot at making the team. But, soon after, I got the call to be a counselor in a Bishopric, so I gave up tennis again during my college years.

I started back playing tennis after I graduated from BYU, and won state championships in most decades thereafter. I continued to play, even after major back fusion surgery in 1978, mostly because I was teaching my three daughters to play. To toughen up their skills I regularly set up doubles matches to play against some of the best men in the state. They all became state high school champions. Together, we won state father-daughter titles seven times, and got to the big regional finals once with each. My second daughter, Shelly, and I won the regionals which won us a trip to play the nationals at Flushing Meadow at the U.S. Open in 1986. We played our matches in the morning and then had seats for the whole ten days to watch the pro matches. We played on the same courts, dressed in the same locker rooms as the pros, and personally met many of them. It was one of the biggest prizes in amateur sports…and the thrill of a lifetime for the whole family!

But after about ten more years of playing, the back pain was so bad I quit and didn’t do much of anything after that until I discovered this pickleball thing and entered the Idaho Senior Games about five years ago.

Wow, you created a family legacy with your tennis skills. Before moving forward, tell us how you found your athletic passion growing up.

We weren’t wealthy – we lived in a small apartment on the top floor and my bed was a cot pulled out of the attic each night and set up in the tiny kitchen. My dad rode a bike to work until I was seven. I was a skinny, small kid and the youngest in the neighborhood. I only weighed 125 pounds when I got married at 24! When I had to get glasses in the 6th grade I left them at home because I was so embarrassed to wear them, especially in front of the bigger kids in sports.

But I was naturally athletic and had a strong desire to work hard at sports to keep up with the older kids. My dad and mom had to drag me in each night from the dirt court and hoop in our driveway. I loved sports from Day One and played baseball, basketball, football, you name it. I didn’t start tennis until the 8th grade. I ran back and forth between baseball games and tennis matches that were held in the same season.

Sounds like you had some tough times as a kid.

Yes. Though popular and a high achiever in academics, sports, and student government, I was also the ‘Mormon kid’ who wouldn’t join in the smoking, drinking, partying, and even some drugs that all started around the 7th grade. When I was around ten, some of the older kids in the neighborhood would tie me up in the branches of a tree that was taller than the houses. Pretty scary. There was other stuff because there was some jealousy that my sports ability was enabling me to catch up to the older kids.

The hurt feelings were many as I became more and more left out of parties and other activities. I’ll never forget one of those experiences that left me confused and hurt. It occurred when I was the baseball team captain and one of the star players. In the championship game, I scored the winning run and my throw to home cut off the other team’s chance to beat us. I was surrounded by cheers and slaps on the back. But, then, I learned afterwards that I was again not invited to a party later that evening.  They were some of my best friends.

But, it made me stronger and helped drive the development of my abilities.

So pickleball was easier on your back so you could continue to play sports?

Pickleball saved my life literally because I had gotten way out of shape and developed a serious Type 2 Diabetes situation. We went down to Arizona and found a medical treatment that I followed rigorously. After several months, I dropped my A1C blood level from a horrific 12, when it was first diagnosed, down to a controllable 6.0. I lost 40 pounds, was able to put off insulin, and concurrently found this fun game with a silly name. Tennis players pick it up pretty quickly, and it was a real motivation for me to find a sport I could do and really love.

My first tournament was at the Idaho Senior Games where I played and won at tennis, pickleball, and table tennis. Because of the back pain, I threw the old tennis racquet back into the closet until the next year. But, I kept playing pickleball because you serve underhand which is not as big a strain on the back.

It’s also a smaller footprint to cover than a tennis court.

Right. I play two to three times a week and I’d play every day but for the back pain. For most years since, I’ve again drug the old tennis racquet out for a few days and won events in the Senior Games. I’ve also won at table tennis. But, pickleball and the Senior Games has been the greatest blessing for me because I play all year round.

You know, pickleball is the fastest growing sport in North America, it’s just exploding. Some call it ‘tennis on steroids.’ Among the older and now younger people entering the game you find Olympians, NCAA champions, Davis Cuppers, tennis pros, people who played at Wimbledon…the competition keeps getting tougher and tougher.

When you mention former Wimbledon players, you must be referring to Alice Tym.

Yes. You know, in her day she was 13th in the world in tennis, won titles on 5 continents, and coached the Yale and Tennessee women’s tennis teams for decades. Alice has partnered with me many times in pickleball. We’ve won mixed doubles in the Huntsman World Senior Games and took silvers in close final matches at the US Open and National Senior Games. We’ve won Senior Games in Connecticut, Idaho, Nevada and Utah, and at other tourneys elsewhere. We’ll be going back to the Huntsman this year.

Alice also plays badminton, table tennis, and some field events. She’s just great. I greatly admire how well she handles her own injuries and the aches and pains most super seniors have, and for her fun, gracious personality and great service to the sport.

Will Alice be your partner at The National Senior Games in Albuquerque next year?

No, she’s not, the rascal. [Laugh] She told me she’s going to play down in a lower age group.

You’ve had your share of aches and pains, too.

Persevering through pain and the challenges of life is important for success and happiness, and especially critical for success in sports.

I played competitive tennis for many years with severe back pain before my major back fusion operation. For a long while, I refused to risk the danger of the operation and just continued playing – and winning – despite terrific pain down my leg and losing the feeling in my toes. It wasn’t until the leg started to atrophy that I OK’d the operation.  The fusion turned out only partially successful, but I still played another ten years of competitive tennis, primarily to keep myself in tune to teach my daughters and then another ten years afterwards with lesser, but still tough pain.

Now, I’m still dealing with the back pain, and two years ago I had knee surgery. I’ve had a couple of hernia operations, and I pulled an Achilles tendon while playing the gold medal match in pickleball singles at last year’s USAPA Nationals, which broke my heart. But, I won the singles against the same guy several months later at the US Open, the biggest pickleball tournament in the world! I’m dealing with sleep apnea, high blood pressure, and the other aches and pains of a 78-year-old. And, you know, once diabetic you are always diabetic. I still work really hard to follow a disciplined diet and exercise to keep it under control.

All of those things are painful and have slowed me down. But I tell people, ‘You’re going to have injuries and things happen to you. If you give up and become a couch potato, you’re not going to live as long. If you continue to do things physically, you’re going to be more healthy, have more longevity, and you’re going to be more happy and have more fun all along the way.’

Does it inspire you to see all of the other active people at Senior Games?

That’s what I love about it, with all the emphasis on health and being among those world class athletes and hearing their testimonials. To be able to compete at this high level against these kinds of athletes is what keeps me going. It gets my blood flowing and is keeping me healthy along the way.

It’s a thrill to see the Olympic flame lit, marching with all the others in the Parade of Athletes, socializing in the Athletes’ Village – wow. It’s just a fantastic spectacle of joy and peace and brotherhood. We absolutely love it, it’s a highlight of our lives. It doesn’t matter if you win or lose at National Senior Games, it’s about staying healthy. That’s a great philosophy for you to have. If I’m dragging and have to play on one leg I’m still gonna go!

The National Senior Games is among the biggest pickleball championships around. There’s also the USAPA Nationals, the Huntsman World Games the State Games of America, and the SSIPA World Championships, the International Indoors, and the U.S. Open. I’m blessed to have won 38 medals, mostly gold, in them all. In just five years too, wow.

You really have a balanced perspective that has helped you to overcome life challenges, Dick.

You’ve identified something very dear to both Lawana and I. We’ve been married for 54 years. Mormons consider our Temple Marriage to be an eternal marriage, so our family will be together on the other side. The Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a major part of our life.

We believe in service and it’s an unpaid ministry. One daughter served her mission in England and all our daughters were married in the Temple to returned missionary guys.  We have 15 grand kids and three great grand kids, and so far, six of them have reached missionary age and gone on missions all over the world. Lawana and I together served a 3 year mission to teach the importance of continuing education to youth. We have also done humanitarian service in Africa helping to organize a measles immunization program. I’ve served as a Bishop and taught 6:30 AM morning seminary classes for 15 years. Both of us have taught young adults at the Institute of Religion next to Boise State for ten years. I also had a successful career with a major corporation and in state government.

Which company was that with?

I was with Ore-Ida for almost 25 years in two general management positions. But many of us lost our jobs at Ore-Ida and Heinz, our parent company, as the downsizing of corporations swept across America. It was a tough time for many people. I was 50 years old, was paying monthly for Shelly’s mission in England, and our two youngest daughters were still at home, too. I had to rely on faith and determination.

Even though I was offered some lucrative jobs elsewhere, we didn’t want to jerk our kids out of their schools and leave the old home town. After nine months I took a big financial hit by going to work for the Idaho Department of Commerce at a lot less of what I had been making. It was a giant blow to my ego, prestige, and confidence.

However, it all turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Why? Because the new career brought some humility and significant and enjoyable growth and new experiences. It included helping startup companies in the state and recruiting others to come to Idaho and create new jobs here. After almost 25 years traveling the country and parts of the world in the corporate business, it was a thrill to get to know my little home state better and to provide help to its people and communities. Looking back, it really helped fulfill my inherent desires to serve.

But to go back to your question about balance: Family, Christ, and the Church are the most important things to us. They impact all parts of our lives and help us be more physically and spiritually healthy. We sure aren’t perfect, but we try pretty hard to live good morals and be good citizens. Even though I did stub my toe with the diabetes, these guiding principles have given me and our family a pretty happy and healthy life.

Your wife is obviously a helper and inspiration for you. Has anyone else been a big influence on your life?

Lawana is my dearest friend and eternal companion. She’s my biggest cheerleader on the sidelines, and then helps nurse my aches and pains after the long days’ matches are finally over. Unfortunately, she can’t play anymore – she had a pretty bad injury crashing into a wall chasing down a lob – but she has been a referee at all of the big tournaments I rattled off to you. She knows more about the rules of the game than I do.

As for others, a marvelous lady named Barbara Chandler introduced tennis to the Boise School System and thereby to me. She had won the National Clay Court Championships and for years could beat every man in the state. I took lessons from her and we won many adult state mixed doubles championships when I was still in my teens, and more later in my young adult years. I idolized her, not just for her skill, but also for her sportsmanship, graciousness, service, and pure love of the sport, win or lose.

And my grandpa Alma Johnson was a huge influence on me. We would pitch pennies against the kitchen wall to win a piece of grandma’s sugared cinnamon bread at their house in Ogden, Utah. He dug little holes in the dirt in his back yard to putt golf balls into. He’d never let me win, I had to beat him. I watched, admired and respected him as he worked through his aches and pains from hours of bowling and horseshoe practice to eventually win the Utah state bowling championship in his 70’s. And he was playing people a lot younger then, just as I do now in pickleball.

I think a lot of my athletic desire came from ole Grandpa Johnson, and his valuable lessons also strengthened my strong desire to love and help my children to succeed, serve, and be happy.

Your pickleball enthusiasm must be contagious with others.

I tell people I use pickleball as the vehicle to stay active. It’s really fun and addictive, and it’s easy to learn in the beginning. People can play it recreationally for their whole lives, but you have to work really hard if you want to be go at it competitively. I’ve told my tennis friends who didn’t know much about it to Google a 5.0 pickleball match video and that really raises their respect for the game.

One thing that’s been challenging, but has been good for me, is playing down in lower age groups. In the first U.S. Open pickleball tournament three years ago, I won a bronze playing against 50-year-olds. I’m more proud of that one than the golds in my age. Several years ago I was the top point winner nationally at my skill level while playing against 50-year-olds. And, last year I was the SSIPA points winner for my age group. I still frequently play down, as it keeps me in tune to play against older people.

I love the challenge of trying to get better and, even though I’m now an old duffer, I continue to work hard to be a student of the game and improve. I am glad that so many players are asking for and really appreciate the help I give them.

But, realistically, I also know its physically getting much tougher and coming to an end. I still wouldn’t mind finally kicking the bucket after hitting a great passing shot on the court against some 50 year old youngster!

Chuck Milliman, 85, Phil Milliman, 66, Sequim, Washington

As the saying goes, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. In Washington state, the Milliman family tree has produced a bushel of positive minded and active people, including Chuck and Phil, father and son gold medalists in National Senior Games pole vaulting.

Chuck Milliman, a retired minister, did not start running seriously until his 40s, but has completed 66 marathons and a variety of track and field competitions. Chuck has also stayed active through outdoor recreation. He and wife Shirley have encouraged their entire family, and countless others, to join in on hikes, climbing, biking, races and anything else that gets the muscles moving.

Phil Milliman discovered the thrill of pole vaulting on family beach trips where he used pieces of driftwood to jump over a string held up by his siblings. This led to a high school vaulting career, but not having access to poles and pits sidelined him after graduation until a brother-in-law upstate organized all-age games. Phil’s passion was reignited at 35, and he’s been burning up runways ever since. Chuck also joined in doing running and field events, including pole vault.

The two agreed to enter the Washington State Senior Games in 2003, and when the National Senior Games came to California in 2009, the pair decided to go to Palo Alto. Chuck surprised himself with a gold medal in his first national appearance, and Phil matched the feat in his age group in Houston in 2011. Then, at the 2017 National Senior Games presented by Humana in Birmingham, the duo achieved the goal of both winning a gold medal in the same Games. Their performances earned both top-five all-time NSGA marks.

As our lively three-way conversation below details, winning medals is not a goal but a result for the Millimans. Regular training and practice is based on Phil’s study of the sport, and they have a backyard pit to hone their skills. But both quickly point out that the real goal is to achieve good health and longevity. It’s also clear that both are motivated by the sheer joy of defying gravity and being with others in the sport.

Above all, Chuck and Phil want to inspire others to find their own way to stay active. They still organize family and church group outings, and Phil is a volunteer pole vaulting coach at the local high school. Chuck’s devotion to help people is only exceeded by the spirit of fierce competition he instilled in the family. Phil admits that when Chuck takes on a challenge, he wants to do it too and not get one-upped. This spirit is also demonstrated by the high activity level of three generations of the family.

Chuck, whose good health made a speed bump out of a dual heart bypass in 2001, enjoys community work and running for charities, including back-to-back marathons to log 78.6 miles on his 78^th birthday for the Boys & Girls Clubs. Last year, he ran 85 miles over two days for his 85^th birthday for the Sequim Food Bank. Phil will have to age up to match those feats but does his share, and he has found a new sport passion in pickleball.

You may not want to try pole vaulting, but witnessing Chuck and Phil Milliman’s enthusiasm and vigor should make you want to find an activity to pursue your own Personal Best!

 

Let’s “jump” right in by asking this: Why did you both fall in love with pole vaulting?

Phil:

Pole vaulting to me is the ideal sport. It’s because everybody is working as hard as they can to help the person beside them to be the best athlete you can be. I’ve never seen a more selfless sport. It also takes everything you’ve got to do it. There’s a national conference every year, because it’s so complex there’s a need to share physics and skill information, plus the psychological aspect. All sorts of things come with it.

 

Well, the fear of falling is primal.

Phil:

We tell kids you have to overcome every survival instinct you’ve got to pole vault. There’s danger involved if you are not safe, and we always teach safety.

Chuck:

It is an exciting sport. But you’re right that there’s a survival part to it, Phil.

 

So, tell us how you both started in sports.

Chuck:

I didn’t play organized sports until high school. I remember my older brother taking me to grade school and there was a basketball laying there. I could barely pick it up at first, but for some reason I just fell in love with it. My brother would have to forcibly take me out of the gym after that.

In high school my main sport was basketball, and all we had besides that was 6-man football and baseball which I did too. Our football field did not have turf- it looked like it had been road graded. I didn’t even know much of what track or the Olympics was until I was 21.

Phil:

Chuck grew up in a tiny town called Benton City, and he also boxed a little bit. He’s always been an active person. He was a little hyper, so if it was today they would have given him some drug to calm him down.

How I got started with pole vaulting is interesting. We went to the beach a lot as a kid, and I just loved to jump. I talked my brother and sister into holding up a string and I would use a piece of driftwood to jump over it. A friend of mine and I started ‘driftwood jumping’ together.

I was going to try out for track in high school but was diagnosed with a heart murmur as a freshman and was a little apprehensive about it. But I decided ‘Aw, forget it, I’m going to turn out for it anyway’ and both me and my brother entered track in my junior year. I heard you can improve jumping height by running cross country, so I did that in my senior year, too.

Chuck:

Philip was great pole vaulting in high school, especially under the conditions they had. They jumped on a parking lot and landed onto bales of hay. I don’t think they even wore spikes back then.

Phil:

My best vault in high school was 12 feet three inches. I only got as far as district, but I had a lot of fun. I was not good enough to vault in college, and it was difficult to find a place to do it anymore. I didn’t start back up until I was 35.

Chuck was actively involved with his church work, but he didn’t exercise a lot while we were in high school. But Dad started running with my brother Bruce, and he just kept running after he went off to college. Dad ran many races, including marathons.

Chuck:

My first official race was a marathon! A college professor got me interested in 1973 when I was 39. He told me he was doing a marathon at 64 years old. Well, I thought, ‘If that old guy can do that, then I certainly can.’ I got my son Bruce to train me. I remember on the first 20-mile training run I couldn’t go another step at ten miles. We walked a bit and he talked me into jogging, and then I felt I could finish. I remember my first marathon time was three hours and 58 minutes.

I’ve done 66 marathons in all. That’s one for every year I’ve been married. You have to get away from the house for a couple of hours every now and then, you know. [Laugh]

Phil:

Dad and Bruce were fast runners. It’s interesting, all the little motivators we had through the years. Dad used to hike with his professor, and us kids often came along with them. It was always something we did together all through the years, being outdoors and enjoying life.

And there’s a little thing in our family about that. If Chuck was doing something exciting -like climbing Mt. Ranier- I was going to make sure I did it with him. So, when he was going to go to Senior Games, I was going with him, too. I didn’t want him one step ahead of me on these adventures!

Chuck:

We’ve always done things like that together as a family.

 

How did you two get involved in senior competitions?

Phil:

When I was 35, my brother-in-law was organizing a weekly ‘all comers’ sporting event up in Bellingham, and they supplied poles to practice and compete. So, my wife Rosaura and I started driving about 100 miles up there every Monday to pole vault for two hours, turn around and drive all the way home. We did that for years, but we never got tired of doing it and have kept vaulting ever since.

 

So did Chuck get involved in Senior Games first?

Chuck:

My first Washington State Senior Games was 2003. But I wasn’t too motivated to go to National Senior Games at first.

Phil:

We talked each other into going. 2003 was also my first Senior Games. The reason we thought we were never going to go to Nationals was that they were always too far away. There’s a lot of people who qualify and want to go but can’t afford it. But when we heard they were coming to Palo Alto in 2009, we thought, ‘Hey, this would be a hoot- we could go to the National Senior Games!’ That got it started. We’ve only missed Cleveland in 2013 since then.

 

What’s it like to be at National Senior Games with so many other fit people your age?

Chuck:

My first impression was that I couldn’t compete against these guys. I had won a lot at state games, so I was prepared a little bit. But here’s these world class people! It was kind of scary in that way. But I try my best, as the old cliché says.

What impressed me next was being with all these healthy older people.  My goodness, there’s so much in the Senior Games that people can become involved in. It’s not just track and field, which I love, but it’s also the whole gamut of other sports. Like that wimpy game of pickleball that Phil plays. [Phil laughs] Yeah, those people want all the attention. [Both laugh]

But I do enjoy competition, any kind, I don’t care. I’ll tell you, Phil and I are so competitive that we can’t walk down to the mailbox without getting into an argument halfway down the driveway. [Both laugh]

Phil:

At church they say we can’t say ten words without getting into an argument about who’s right. But it’s all in fun. We love each other dearly, but we love to get at each other too.

 

So, what were your first impressions of The Games, Phil?

Phil:

It’s a flood of emotions. You go through your life you’re struggling wondering if you’re worthy of anything, am I good enough, you know. But when I first got there I had a feeling of accomplishment, that I’ve made into to this thing. And there’s all these people everywhere, marvelous personalities. It’s a mass of people, competing at a very high level in most cases.

We went over to watch the basketball players and it was amazing to see them play hard. I love watching the runners to see how they change their style as they get older. I tell people it’s like running in a refrigerator box as you get older. You can’t afford to get ahead and rush, so you run a little closer into yourself. [Chuck laughs] It’s always great to watch the really older guys out there, throwing shot put and pole vaulting. There are even guys older than my Dad there. [Both laugh] You watch them make an approach and the whole family looks like they want to run keep them from falling backwards!

But the camaraderie is great. Everybody’s trying to help each other. It’s a really great experience.

 

Chuck, as athletes grow older they also find there are fewer competitors in their next age group. You were the only one the 85-89 age in Birmingham last year, so you got the gold. But you had to be there to get it!

Chuck:

Well, that is the case in some events at the state level. This was the first time I didn’t have competition at the national games. I like to say that everyone else chickened out when they heard Chuck Milliman was competing.

Phil:

I always dreamed of having him and me win golds at the same Nationals.

 

It’s clear you guys are competitive. Do you set winning medals as a big goal?

Phil:

Not really, but I’ve got a picture of Dad throwing his arms in the air and yelling when he won his first gold medal at the Washington Senior Games in 2003. I’ve never seen such unadulterated joy. It was exciting.

I have looked back and realized a couple of things. Some years I am older than the next guy in my group who’s going to blow away my record. It’s just random chance. If you’re in it for the medals, you shouldn’t be in it because you’re just going to be disappointed at some point. Why have I gotten two gold medals at Nationals? It’s sheer luck. You know what? I’m just going to go down that runway and do my best, and whatever that ends up is what it is. So we both have two national golds. And you don’t feel like you’re anything special, huh Chuck?

Chuck:

Oh no. But I’ll tell you this. The most exciting thing in the Senior Games is aging up to a new five-year age group. That’s the sweet spot, because you’re the youngest now and you can take those old guys! [Laugh]

But as I said, I just like the camaraderie, the togetherness of people enjoying themselves. I’ve gone to very few meets where you find anyone being super negative about life.  It’s like a lease for enjoying life.

 

As a pastor you need to care deeply for people, Chuck. It must be heartwarming to witness how everyone uplifts each other at Senior Games.

Chuck:

I think that comes with it. You may not realize it at first, but when you find you can do it, you want to support others. It’s not just for me. If I can help others enjoy life better for themselves, I think that’s great. It carries over in other activities, not just in track and field. But it’s a direct result of everyone trying to be good and it makes everyone feel good about it, if that makes sense.

Phil:

Number one, I’m a big believer that you gotta keep moving until the day your drop. Anything you can do to keep moving and being your best helps you to live longer and have a better quality of life. It’s critical for me in everything I do. I’m active in my church, and I’m a volunteer pole vault coach at our high school. Everybody needs something to hang onto that makes them unique and different.

Second, as you can tell, Dad and I love competition. It’s a way of motivating yourself to keep going and to do something that may set you apart. That allows you to get up the next day and say ‘I can do that.’ It makes it easier to deal with failure we all have at times too.

The third thing is exactly what my Dad was saying. When you’re out competing, you’re not trying to crush anybody else, you’re trying to do your very best, and you’re doing it with other people. So they do their best, you get excited, and everyone is cheering each other and doing better. In a real way it’s a great family time.

Chuck:

I agree to that. There’s an exhilaration of winning at that moment. And then when you come in 4^th or 5^th you think ‘I could’ve done better, what’s the matter with me?’ in that moment. I think it’s both things that make you better.  But I’ve got so many medals, I just think ‘Who cares, anyway?’ [Laugh]

But I’ll tell you, I have the two meanest coaches anyone could have: Phil and my wife! [Both laugh] She’ll watch us pole vaulting in the yard and the first thing she says when I come in is, ‘You have to do that over. You did that all wrong!’ [Laugh]

 

BACKYARD BONUS: Watch Chuck and Phil make working out fun

(Courtesy Washington State Senior Games – https://youtu.be/yjdH0Z3krmI)

 

We hear you guys train hard, and that you’ve made your own pit in your back yard.

Phil:

Yeah, we’re on our second pit now. A few years ago, I got an old trashed one that was in storage at the high school. Then I found out I had family whose kids pole vaulted in eastern Washington. After they graduated high school I asked if we could have their old pit and they said sure. If you’ve ever packed a pole vault pit to move, get the very largest U Haul truck you can find! We got it home and have had it now for ten years I guess.

Chuck and I have special training drills to work on the muscles we need to do this. We set up rings in the garage to build arm strength, and we have a sand pit to do drills in.

I’ve looked back at our pole vault numbers from all the state games and it’s really cool that we’ve only varied by six inches over the 14 years. The reason we can maintain that level of success is because we are working every day to improve ourselves in whatever sport we’re doing. So as the age curve is declining the skill curve is increasing, we’re pretty much level all across. I set a state record when I was 52 with an 11 foot jump. Last year I did 10 feet six inches when I won my gold medal. You can’t do that unless you are constantly improving your technique and style.

 

So what’s your favorite sport now, Phil? Pole vaulting or pickleball?

[Both laugh]

Chuck:

Oh, you’ve got him now!

Phil:

Pole vaulting wins, it’s my passion. But here’s the deal on pickleball: it is the most accessible sport as people age that there is. Not in singles, that can be tough, but doubles pickleball is growing like crazy for a reason. We play in a doubles league here and there are people with injured legs and knees and arms, but they’re still enjoying it and playing competitively.

 

You are both naturally active. How do you encourage others to be fit who don’t relate to sports as easily?

Chuck:

I try to tell them they will feel better. Don’t do it because somebody told you to do it, do it because you will feel better physically. It helps you mentally too.  Also, take it slow and don’t do hardly anything extreme for the first couple of months. I used to think everyone ought to run marathons, and a big regret is that I’ve ruined a few people making them do too much. The whole point is to feel better. The moving factor will get your blood flowing and your lungs working, and you may not feel comfortable for a little while, but you’re not going to die either. Your muscle tone will improve, and a big thing I’ve noticed is that it reduces stress immensely. It just does.

Phil:

We both have a track record of encouraging others to get out and do things with us in the outdoors. Chuck used to counsel kids when he was a pastor and encouraged them to go hiking or skiing or whatever. We organize hiking and biking groups, disc golf, snowshoeing and skiing, all kinds of things with all ranges of people. Oh, and pickleball too, of course. [Chuck laughs] We’ll alternate between heavy duty stuff and things like a one-mile walk to meander for those folks who are not so energetic. We try to find any way we can to get people excited about getting up and getting out. And you don’t want to burn them out the first step, so you start small. They begin to see why we do these things, enjoying the day and the time together. It all factors into making people healthier. We try to inspire them to continue to enjoy doing it on their own.

In our family, we’ve all had different journeys with our exercise. Dad’s always been a sports guy, and Mom has always joined with him when she could. They made us do stuff every Sunday afternoon after church. We would cry and moan. [Imitates himself as a kid] ‘Do we have to go?’ [Chuck laughs] To this day everyone in our family is active. Our parents have inspired whole generations, down to the grandkids and now great-grandkids, who get out there and enjoy life to its fullest.

You know, you could almost make that a theme: Bring someone with you to The Games.

 

We think it’s safe to say we’ll be seeing the Millimans at National Senior Games for some time to come.

Chuck:

Oh yeah, you betcha.

Phil:

You gotta go til you drop. It’s not about how well you are going to do in Senior Games. You do it to have your quality of life as long as you can.

 

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